What English Majors Do On Weekends

The Founding of the bItterness Movement

Bleistiftsp1tzer (4:47:43 PM): now we have to go back and argue about postmodernism again

Bleistiftsp1tzer (4:47:45 PM): i thought we were going past that

JakeAviator (4:47:57 PM): We are past that; but it was a valuable stepping stone on the way to bItterness. We acknowledge our debt to it and admire its chutzpha

JakeAviator (4:48:00 PM): *chutzpah

Bleistiftsp1tzer (4:48:33 PM): sure

Bleistiftsp1tzer (4:48:40 PM): but the whole point of starting a new mvoement is to reject the past one

Bleistiftsp1tzer (4:48:42 PM): that's important.

JakeAviator (4:49:57 PM): bItterness will always be a child of postmodernity

Bleistiftsp1tzer (4:50:28 PM): bullshit

Bleistiftsp1tzer (4:50:51 PM): postmodernity is a child of modernity

JakeAviator (4:50:38 PM): bItterness is the inbred nephew of modernity

Bleistiftsp1tzer (4:51:04 PM): so more important than our father

Bleistiftsp1tzer (4:51:05 PM): is our grandfather

Bleistiftsp1tzer (4:51:12 PM): what the fuck are you talking about

JakeAviator (4:50:53 PM): Modernity is a child of romanticism

Bleistiftsp1tzer (4:51:23 PM): bullshit

JakeAviator (4:51:06 PM): So maybe most important of all is our great grandfather

JakeAviator (4:52:31 PM): And all literature is a child of the Greek single-person oral drama tradition

JakeAviator (4:52:39 PM): So perhaps bItterness should focus on that

Bleistiftsp1tzer (4:53:15 PM): no

Bleistiftsp1tzer (4:53:36 PM): i don't know if we can be in a movement together if we value different literature

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JakeAviator (5:09:13 PM): Zoom in to "original size" on that ass

JakeAviator (5:09:18 PM): What on Earth could ever be better?

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Bleistiftsp1tzer (5:10:37 PM): you already sent me this

JakeAviator (5:10:20 PM): No, it's the next picture in the set

JakeAviator (5:10:36 PM): I have like 100 sets of her

Bleistiftsp1tzer (5:11:05 PM): oh

Bleistiftsp1tzer (5:11:06 PM): great

JakeAviator (5:10:48 PM): Lots of different outfits and poses

Bleistiftsp1tzer (5:56:18 PM): you havent even written a genuine bitterness work

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JakeAviator (6:09:15 PM): I'm working on the core bItterness work

Bleistiftsp1tzer (6:10:15 PM): you cant take my movement from me

Bleistiftsp1tzer (6:10:20 PM): if anything we can share the core

JakeAviator (6:54:08 PM): I started bItterness

Bleistiftsp1tzer (6:58:55 PM): you did not

Bleistiftsp1tzer (6:58:58 PM): i created the term and the spelling

Bleistiftsp1tzer (6:59:00 PM): and wrote the seminal work

JakeAviator (6:58:54 PM): My foundation poem will emerge soon and become seminal

JakeAviator (6:58:56 PM): Bucket of Chum

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:00:51 PM): well they can both be seminal

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:00:55 PM): but you can't take my movement away from me

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:00:58 PM): we're either sharing it or its mine

JakeAviator (7:00:48 PM): No, we're either sharing it or it's mine

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:01:20 PM): lol

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:01:24 PM): you better straighten up and fly right

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:01:27 PM): change your attitude

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Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:03:58 PM): theres no point in arguing this early in the movement

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:04:05 PM): itxs not even a movement yet

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:04:10 PM): we need a third person to prove we're not a delusional duo

JakeAviator (7:04:40 PM): Teh only way one of us can truly leave bItterness, become non-bItter per se, is to find a loving relationship and an optimistic outlook and a healthy happy lifestyle. Until then, we have a bond that will not break.

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:05:31 PM): we can't leave the movement just for a woman

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:05:42 PM): once you become bitter you can't become naive again

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:05:48 PM): or thats the outlook you have to have right now at least

JakeAviator (7:05:45 PM): One cannot truly represent bItterness if one is happy and healthy. It's possible to have a woman without becoming happy or healthy. In fact, most people do.

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:06:29 PM): oh

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:06:29 PM): true

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:06:40 PM): you're acting like bItterness is something we have to naturally grow out of

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:06:43 PM): and i dont know if it is

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:06:52 PM): maybe bItterness is the true end result

JakeAviator (7:07:28 PM): Exactly. It's like Modernity or Postmodernity. For some people, it simply is the right view. For others not. But sometimes views change. It's possible.

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:08:01 PM): yeah

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:08:11 PM): but i have a feeling you want to use bItterness as the engine that drives you to New Idealism

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:08:16 PM): and I can't start a movement knowing that

JakeAviator (7:08:05 PM): I actually think one can be bItter and a New Idealist both.

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:08:47 PM): no

JakeAviator (7:08:37 PM): See, New Idealism is inherently about the way things should be. bItterness is about the way things are. One can WANT a wonderful place and at the same time acknowledge that we ARE NOT IN IT.

JakeAviator (7:09:18 PM): Saying being bItter means not being an Idealist is like saying, "Don't criticize the government or you are unpatriotic." Criticizing the government is patriotic.

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:10:02 PM): its not like that

JakeAviator (7:09:44 PM): If I say "All women are sluts," that's bItter and it's True. And it might inspire change.

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:10:19 PM): all women are sluts is not true

JakeAviator (7:10:00 PM): Are you nuts?

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:10:27 PM): thats not the stance of the bItterness movement.

JakeAviator (7:10:18 PM): That is certainly the one most important stance of the bItterness movement

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:10:48 PM): no it's not

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:11:04 PM): then the bItterness movement would nbe in the business of making generalizations

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:11:12 PM): that's not what it's about

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:11:15 PM): it's not about saying all women are sluts

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:11:23 PM): its about not knowing the answer to anything.

JakeAviator (7:10:59 PM): the bItterness movement is both in the business of making generalizations and then destroying them and then making them again

JakeAviator (7:11:10 PM): It is pastiche

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:11:40 PM): really the bItterness movement is about being pissed off

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:11:47 PM): that's all it comes down to

JakeAviator (7:11:25 PM): Can one not be pissed off that all women are sluts?

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:11:59 PM): that's not what i'm pissed off about

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Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:14:53 PM): i'm against romance

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:15:16 PM): and my direct anti-romanticness puts me in league with the modernists

JakeAviator (7:14:55 PM): You mean the antique notion of the literary "romantic" or the modern concept flowers-and-wine "romance"?

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:15:36 PM): both!

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:15:37 PM): it's all linked.

JakeAviator (7:15:18 PM): No, sir! This will not do.

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:15:49 PM): it goes back to romance language

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:15:53 PM): roman culture

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:15:57 PM): the romans versus the germans

JakeAviator (7:15:33 PM): I speak a Romance language

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:16:00 PM): and i side with the latter

JakeAviator (7:15:42 PM): I side with the Romans!

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Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:18:36 PM): i like The Great Gatsby

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:18:41 PM): it's an Idealist work

JakeAviator (7:18:19 PM): You must concede the sluttiness of all women!

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:18:45 PM): and i think that's what you're going for

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:18:51 PM): The Great Gatsby and A&P

JakeAviator (7:18:32 PM): A&P is my favorite short story

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:19:01 PM): but what you're doing is admitting that romance can't work

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:19:06 PM): and still striivng for it

JakeAviator (7:18:43 PM): Romance has failed

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:19:10 PM): because you view youyrself as a hero for doing that

JakeAviator (7:18:59 PM): I do not strive for it. I strive for something that DOES work but that still seems RIGHT the way Romance once did

JakeAviator (7:19:22 PM): That new thing, that would be heroic

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:19:58 PM): what is that thing

JakeAviator (7:19:38 PM): One does not yet know

JakeAviator (7:19:50 PM): But at least bItterness decries the lies

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:20:24 PM): we can both decry the lies

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:20:34 PM): but you decry them in a different way if you believe that Romanticism is an ally

JakeAviator (7:20:22 PM): Romanticism is not an ally, but it is not the enemy

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:20:55 PM): what's the enemy

JakeAviator (7:20:33 PM): It is neutrally removed

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:21:03 PM): the bourgeois naive notions of love?

JakeAviator (7:20:51 PM): The enemies are twofold: apathy, and knowing causation of pain

JakeAviator (7:21:03 PM): Both lead to sluttiness in women

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Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:31:15 PM): listen

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:31:26 PM): you need to get these Jimmy Eat World notions of sluttiness out of your mind

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:31:31 PM): no wonder you still think like this

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:31:35 PM): litsening to that kind of chummy music

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Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:32:25 PM): you konw what

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:32:35 PM): if we can't agree on the most elemental meaning of bItterness i don't know how it's going to work

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:32:38 PM): we have to draft a compromise

JakeAviator (7:32:24 PM): We'll have to write up a manifesto

JakeAviator (7:32:53 PM): I would ask you for permission to use this AIM conversation, devoid of all personal pronouns, names, company names etc., in my blog

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:33:29 PM): why

JakeAviator (7:33:14 PM): It expresses some of my basic ideas on the bItterness movement

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:33:49 PM): yeah but we're disagreeing

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:34:00 PM): you cant release insider information on the bItterness movement before we sit down and discuss what it's about

JakeAviator (7:33:37 PM): I want people to know what's happening in the bItterness movement

JakeAviator (7:33:46 PM): I won't make any judgments. It will be verbatim.

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:34:18 PM): if we release the information before it becomes a solid thing then it will just float away in bad directions

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:34:41 PM): people will flock to either of our sides before we've come to an agreement yet

JakeAviator (7:34:18 PM): That isn't true. We disagree on what hot women's asses should look like very much, but I don't care who knows that information.

Bleistiftsp1tzer (7:35:02 PM): i'm not worried about that